us3r

the name stuck sorry

  • he/him

professional procrastinator. computer enjoyer. 1-800-didge.


us3r
@us3r
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GardenerAether
@GardenerAether

i sincerely cannot comprehend this type of person who can look at people like lenin or stalin or trotsky or zedong or jinping (or any other fascist of choice that decided to disingenuously aestheticize themselves as communist revolutionaries) and unironically defend them on the basis that they were somehow socialists. marx himself prioritized freedom first and foremost and if he were alive today he would have vomited seeing people using his work to defend the fucking ussr. 'revisionist snake' is honestly an understatement. and anyone who supports them should be shunned just like anyone who supports hitler or mussolini or pinochet or putin or netanyahu (or any other fascist of choice that didnt decide to disingenuously aestheticize themselves as communist revolutionaries)

just say youre a red fascist or whatever

the type of online 'leftist' thats like "yeah actually everyone but me is a centrist"


us3r
@us3r

Ha, yeah. I was 19 too once.

Not even sure what younger me would've thought of PatSocs.

In any case: Vaush doesn't prove anything he just wins arguments. That's his whole money maker. He ostensibly supports Capitalism when it's convenient and complains when it don't result in a classless, moneyless society in harmony with nature.

If Vaush had morals he sold em.


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  • resorted to ad-hom against me which you only could have done if you actively checked my profile specifically to find something to mock me for because no actual arguments
  • resorted to ad-hom against vaush because again no actual arguments
  • referred to vaush as a debate bro and someone whose entire point is to "win arguments" when he literally has not done a single debate in over four months now and explicitly said he doesnt want to do them anymore specifically because its no longer effective at moving people over to the left
  • complained about his "support for capitalism" when he has actively encouraged and worked with people to promote worker co-operatives that he admits the faults of and says should only be treated as a transitionary step
  • mocked him for "selling his morals" that hes been nothing but consistent in defending

its kind of funny how you did the exact things you criticize him for while failing to demonstrate he did them; not having morals, and not making points!

whats less funny is that you did it to defend monsters who lied about their beliefs to oppress and mass-murder millions of people both within and outside their own borders, committed and supported genocides against ethnic and religious minorities, collaborated with other fascist regimes (pretending to be communist or otherwise), and actively snuffed out any attempt at building an actual socialist or communist society, for the sole purpose of consolidating their own power, self-justified by blatant fascism hidden behind a thin veil of "communism"

whatever you or anyone elses opinion of vaush is not really important. i honestly couldnt care that much. the single bit of relevance hes had in this has just been as a catalyst in demonstrating your willful ignorance. if you wanna diss the work he's done for palestinian children, the relief and support hes given for trans people in his community, the people hes moved over to the left that would have otherwise been moved over to the right, his committed effort to ensuring that america's descent into total fascism is avoided, fine. you do you i guess. i think youre a cretin for it, but sure

but when you start defending fascists? look, i dont care whatever the fuck you think about my age. if people like you had a significant say in politics, id be dead. hundreds of thousands of people, some like me, and some not, would be dead. and the millions rest would suffer. so quit assuming that im too dumb to recognize that because of an arbitrary number you only brought up because you had nothing else to say

anyways, all youve demonstrated so far is that you dont actually have any beliefs or principles to engage with, let alone arguments to support them. so ill leave it at that

Alright it's been day:
Good lord you don't have to reach a word count.

I never said "debate bro" but if we're using your words then, yeah I guess.

What is going on right now, right here in the comments, is not a debate. The worst thing Vaush has done has made people frame everything like a debate.

A majority of this is you getting offended on someone else's behalf.

not surprised you dodged again to bring things back around to vaush even though ive already said hes not really relevant to what im saying lol

out of all the legitimate things you could have criticized him for, you chose to get salty about him not liking russian hitler, because you like the russian hitlers. all im here to do is remind you of the fact that yes actually these people were fucking monsters and no real leftist would follow their actions, even if we had good reason to follow their writings

god even speaking to you is like talking to a nazi. youre so snakish about your beliefs youll do anything you can to not engage with the point being made because you know your positions are indefensible to anyone normal

also.

i never said "debate bro"

thats rough bro im sorry i didnt realize sooner that you have the memory of a goldfish but yknow i guess i cant be too surprised a tankie would

What I am is disillusioned.

All these people can debate and raise money until they die and it won't matter. I can imagine the end of the world before the end of capitalism, all this is just posturing.

As for the original post I'm mostly just, hit with the arrogance of "actually I could have done better" from an extremely privileged middle class man almost compared to Lenin, with the benefits of years of recorded history. Trotsky and Stalin's rampant paranoia sabotaging the USSR and leading to Khrushchev? Not so much.

Lots of streamers do nice things. Wayneradiotv did both of the things you mentioned among many others.

Realistically? We just approved almost 100 billion dollars to be sent to Israel. Representatives are proud to support that and Israel is very open about lobbying for themselves.

Trans and gender non-conforming people are demonized more than ever and are intentionally conflated with pedophiles to pass laws targeted against them.

Let me know when something of substance happens to combat that.

it sounds like by "disillusioned" what you mean is hopeless

fuck that shit. get your hope back. be 19 again

the worlds never going to get any better if we sulk and pretend like the little we can do is just "posturing"

by criticizing anti-authoritarians because theyre only operating under the privilege of hind-site - as if anti-authoritarian socialist opposition didnt exist back then - you automatically fail to learn from those mistakes

none of us actually expect anyone to do better than lenin in that position. why do you think we dont want anyone to hold that kind of power?

things are only as bleak as you convince others to believe. knock it off. be better