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Codarobo
@Codarobo

Hey does this mean we can go back to hating copyright though, i liked when we all agreed copyright was a bad system instead of one we need to expand

I feel like we’ve just been through a bizarre period of copyright becoming inexplicably popular amongst creative leftist types online because of AI stuff and while I’m sympathetic to that I think copyright is, on balance, much worse


MoxieCat
@MoxieCat

"Artists should have control over how their work is used, as a matter of basic respect!"
Yeah!!

"Therefore we should strengthen the laws that major corporations have exploited for decades to gain a stranglehold on creative industries and keep certain artists on a leash."
Wait, no, hold on-


fullmoon
@fullmoon

I feel like a lot of people don't want to admit that the motive that drives indie creators to seek copyright is the same motive that drives corporations to seek copyright.


theophage
@theophage

wanting to be paid for your work is not the same as wanting to maintain a pointless stranglehold on an idea for no reason but to prevent others from using it in order to squeeze as many coins out of it as possible


estrogen-and-spite
@estrogen-and-spite

Copyright is not just the bad parts that get used by Disney and Nintendo to strangle other companies and to silence individuals. Copyright is also what prevents the predatory content mill publishers from just stealing indie author books wholesale, reprinting them, and outspending us in advertising money so our versions get lost.

And before you say “there’s no way that would happen” This already does happen. The difference is right now copyright protects the author who had their story ripped off the internet and posted to Amazon. We at least have recourse. I have actually had to fight against these kind of people before for books I published or help friends with. This is a real harm that would be made a 1000 times worse without copyright protections.

Copyright needs to be overhauled so it protects creators from corporations and from predatory practices like content mill productions or rights grabs hidden in TOS’s while no longer allowing companies to sit on the rights to media properties they’re never going to use just so they can prevent anyone else from doing them. We need a healthy and robust public domain that doesn’t wait a whole century for new content to be added while also allowing the original creators to enjoy their stories being theirs for long enough for any reasonable person.

And yes, it would be better to just dismantle capitalism so this isn’t an issue, but as long as our system is capitalistic don’t judge indie creators for clinging on to the few protections we have.


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in reply to @Codarobo's post:

copyright has always been dogshit but i think there is definitely room for "copyright sucks ass and is way too long" and "we shouldn't allow everyone's creative work to be hoovered up by a machine to avoid copyright"

I don’t disagree, there’s just been for a couple years a lot of people explicitly cheering for US courts to expand copyright in cases related to ai. I think there should be other avenues for regulation besides copyright

there should, yet there aren't. copyright is presently just about the only law on the books that purportedly confers the rights to the fruit of one's own labor (which is obviously why most places you lose any and all copyright to anything done during work, on company equipment, or even (in texas) while you have a job at all)

it's a vile tool of capitalists and it's also all we have. master's tools master's house moment 📸

in reply to @MoxieCat's post:

That’s totally it for me. Benn Jordan made a video awhile back that really resonated with me about how AI generation
(in the context of the music industry, specifically, since that’s his area of expertise) was small fish compared to… everything the big labels have been doing to artists since literally the beginning of the industry, and that even if you could get rid of it entirely, it really doesn’t fix what was already deeply fucked. Strengthening copyright is a devil’s bargain to give those corporations even more power over people actually making stuff, in ways that will outlast the current trend in AI.

in reply to @fullmoon's post:

a lot of people just think the same thing is different when the people they don't like use it.

the same people usually don't like taking stances like, "instead of completely destroying something why don't we try to yknow, fix it over time."

it causes a lot of fuss.

we're honestly just more sympathetic to it when it's a single person, heh

we realize there are lots of times when it winds up exactly the same way in the long run, but we like to give people the benefit of the doubt. the system does kinda demand people protect themselves :/