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NoelBWrites
@NoelBWrites

the Mechanical Turk strikes again


eramdam
@eramdam

Once in SF when it was new for the novelty and once when I was in Seattle last year because it was close to where I was staying.

Like, there were genuinely a few hours between the moment I stepped out of the store and me getting the invoice in my phone. I don’t know what’s the point of over engineering this and not hiring cashiers (or even have self checkout).

(I mean I know the point is to save enough money to not hire humans but like, clearly that was a shit bet)


bethposting
@bethposting

Back when i worked at Google (fuck them btw. it's become a horrible place to work), I was one of several linguists on a team where our whole thing was writing questions like "Which of these two ads is more relevant to this search query?" and then sending those out to a bunch of part-time contractors who worked for a vendor in order to collect training data for Google's search ad serving algorithm.

Almost all of the English language raters were in India or the Philippines because you can pay people in those countries way less than you'd have to pay people from the US.

Raters also got hijacked sometimes to directly enforce policy, like when YouTube had an "adpocalypse" due to Elsagate, or to judge if feed ads (for endless vertical scroll on mobile) contained adult or violent or drug-related content.

So I'm confident when I say that a ton of systems that are presented as being "automated" are built on top of cheap human labor, or just are cheap human labor.


the-only-jam
@the-only-jam

And often times very vulnerable labor

It does feel like instead of fixing human suffering, people just want to hide it


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in reply to @stu's post:

I was thinking about this and I think part of the reason is that self-checkout already exists in stores, so it wouldn't have gotten them press coverage about how "weird" it is to shop there if you had to stop and tap your bag/items on an NFC tag reader, but I bet another part is that people steal from self-checkout all the time. If you know how the system works, you can figure out how to get around it, but a "magic" system that just knows what you're carrying out of the store and you don't know how, then you can't figure out how to trick it.

i'd never been to one of these places so i always just assumed it was like, scanning things as you go along and getting it charged to your card when you leave or something. the reality of it being some guys in india watching you on cctv and tallying it up by hand is such a uniquely dystopian and stone age solution to the tech magic sales pitch we got you can't help but laugh at just how absurdly bleak it is

yeah i also assumed it was something like "self-scanning as you go", which according to the article is apparently the backup plan for stores who want to use something like this in the future. Insane that this wasn't the idea from the get-go.

"Just Walk Out relied on more than 1,000 people in India watching and labeling videos to ensure accurate checkouts. The cashiers were simply moved off-site, and they watched you as you shopped."

Oh my god just end me