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thewaether
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if you're not on twitter RN you will have missed out on elon musk begging stephen king for money this morning


vogon
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there are 423,000 verified users on twitter; if all of them subscribed at the full $20 a month he's asking for, the company would earn $101.52 million extra revenue every year.

the last 10-Q report1 twitter filed before it was acquired by elon quoted a quarterly revenue of $1.176 billion.

he's dragging himself through the mud over increasing twitter's revenue by 2.2%.


  1. one of the types of reports companies publicly offering stock for sale in the US are required to file with the SEC, at the end of each fiscal quarter, to provide transparency into whether they're a good investment or not


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in reply to @thewaether's post:

King raises a critical point here: The nature of Twitter is the top users are providing the product, IE, they write the content many/most "normal users" come to read. Probably they should be getting paid. This goes right over Musk's head.

I hear one of the spaghetti-at-wall ideas Musk had for how to grow Twitter again was to bring back Vine. Actually, that is the one of Musk's "Twitter Ideas" that might actually work, and it's even almost timely (just maybe a year or two late, given TikTok). However what Musk probably doesn't know (as he doesn't seem to do "deep understandings" of subjects, any subject) is that a big inflection point toward Vine's downfall was that the top content producers tried to unionize. ( See: https://www.businessinsider.com/vines-biggest-stars-tried-saving-company-2016-10 ). The high-value users wanted to get an actual contract where they would produce content at a certain rate and quality level and in exchange get defined sums of money from the company. When Vine said no, those creators went elsewhere. Musk as an individual doesn't... seem to deal well with people forming unions. Imagine MuskTwitter produces a half-assed Vine revival (though with a reduced pool of engineers, working on shorter deadlines, due to Musk-related management). Among the various competitors this will face are TikTok and YouTube Shorts, both of which have a mechanism for paying creators. So now imagine a new site, which starting out lacks the captive audience of Instagram or TikTok, except on this one if you reach the point of making professional-tier content instead of it producing a revenue stream now you pay $240/year for account verification. Hm

It gets even better... after King didn't bother to reply, Elon CAME BACK 10 minutes later with "I will explain the rationale in longer form before this is implemented. It is the only way to defeat the bots & trolls."

(This on top of the rumor that he gave the team a 1-week deadline to get it done)

in reply to @vogon's post:

this got me thinking about what $44b means in the context of twitter's employees

if we paid out for every twitter employee (~7500) to have enough money to live off interest for a yearly 3% return simply to match inflation- let's be generous and say $120k a year - then each person only needs $4m, which would be about $30b

This whole thing is one giant middle finger at Twitter's workers :]

While I don't think he's being realistic, two notes:

  1. 100 million a year would be 10% of the yearly debt payments he now owes. If I could cover 10% of my debt payments with a week of crunch, I would do it. Of course he won't make 100 million a year on this.

  2. He's going to try and sell everyone on this (apparently now at $8 a month), so the theoretical addressable market is way bigger. That won't work either, because he won't get the uptake he needs and a subscription fee doesn't create the incentives towards good behavior he wants.

So the concept isn't entirely insane, he's just completely failing to do market research. Which is prr for the course for him.