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i really do not get the constant "you are weak number baby, me i am strong" posting.
i really do not like seeing "hey just give me a round number instead of a flood of someone liked it, again" portrayed as analogous to addiction.
i can't really wrap my head around why this is a hill people want to kill others on.

it's weird what kind of snark gets treated as "twitter brain poison" when the exact same snark, on the right side, is Good Chosting.


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i only compare it to addiction because i recognize the same addictive patterns in my own use of websites-with-numbers that i recognize with other things i find deleteriously habit-forming.

not having numbers is a big reason why i chose this place. i can't turn them on. it doesn't have the ability to let me become part of that sort of harmful feedback loop.

and yet, shortly, it will have that option, if you choose to jump through the correct hoops, which you will probably qualify for.

that temptation will be dangled, eventually.

the numbers are still there. they just ask you to count them in your head instead of taking that stress off you and letting you see what did and did not go over well at a glance.

and if it's a mystery what im ranting about, it's because we get insight into company plans through personal blog asks now, apparently
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we get insight into company plans through personal blog asks now, apparently

I've seen this sentiment expressed by a few people, and I think those expressing it are missing something important: /these aren't company plans/. They are rough ideas that /one member/ of the company is playing around with on their personal account. When ASSC has concrete plans, they will be in an @staff post. There will not be @staff posts about half baked ideas and things ASSC/Cohost may or may not do (unless they are soliciting user feedback) because that would create unnecessary drama and confusion. If you are only following Cohost staff for Cohost news, you should unfollow them.

the numbers are still there, soggy paper plates, encourages more dopamine seeking, etc

I don't mean this to sound condescending, but have you tried turning the numbers you currently have off? You have mentioned that the way the numbers you currently have are being presented to you is causing you distress and undermines the intended purpose of Cohost's "no numbers" schtick. I agree, actually, and turned my like & follow notifications off. You mentioned how the discrepancy in the number of likes you got on a personal post and a db joke didn't compare favorably to each other - that doesn't surprise me, because 1) posts that are emotionally/mentally easier to read and digest get lots of lazy likes and 2) when people post challenging/personal things hitting the same button that I do for dick and butt jokes feels a little off. I suspect others feel the same. I don't often leave comments either, because its hard to say much meaningful to a near stranger. But I read them, and I think about them. To the poster I'm sure it feels a lot like posting into the void, but there just isn't a good way for other users to leave meaningful feedback, and I don't think there ever will be on platform style social websites. I'm not sure if the point I'm trying to make is coming across, but I think using the same metric (likes (and even comments)) to compare different types of posts is unhealthy. I think the desire to A/B test everything of yourself you put out there is very normal, but things that enable a false sense of successfully doing so are unhealthy and bad; the metrics do not have sufficient or proper information for good answers, but absent other information people always try and use that information to provide answers anyway.

This post kinda got away from me, but I really do recommend turning like notifications off at the very least, more if possible. If that is unacceptable to you, then I would recommend Mastodon, Tumblr, or somewhere else. I don't think Cohost is every going to provide the granular data you are looking for and I think trying to get that information from it is just going to make you unhappy.

Best wishes.

Sincerely,
Internet Stranger

do u think it's an issue of trying to have it two ways? like if cohost was just straight up not well optimised for businesses, so y'know, basically cohost as it is now, just posting, and if that fact was clearly communicated at sign-on or whatever, would that make the no numbers thing ok?
as a casual poster/lurker, i personally appreciate the lack of numbers, but i can see where ur coming from, esp. with regards to the tone of conversation surrounding it.

right now my biggest chafe is with the tone, the quasi-mockery from both staff and others whenever the question is asked- but it's also just hipocritical in a way that I get into more deeply in this post - basically, the numbers are there. They're just being fed to you single-digits at a time in a way that is less satisfying, and at least imo, encourages more dopamine seeking rather than less.

but yeah, mostly its the condescension and the baby-swaddling and the "it's for your own good" and "you're detoxing from an addiction" bullshit that gets me livid, when juxtaposed with the reality of the function. The justification for the design choice is directly contradicted by the implementation of the entire notification system, and transparently so.

i seeee, very fair point. would b interesting to see how a notification system that doesn't have any numbers attached at all would go down. re: your linked post's title in particular, i definitely agree with the sentiment, apologies for bringing it up again haha -v-"

nah no worries, its more that i don't wanna keep flooding my TL with more whining. I'd rather this stuff just be looked at for what it is instead of the current... idk. culture war?
is that a fair term to use? it certainly feels like one.

but yeah. If posts just went to the aether and rebugs had no notifs, that'd be cool. no qualms with an actually blank slate of Poster's Delight. but this shit ain't it.