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wolf-apparatus
@wolf-apparatus

a while back i posted (elsewhere) about wanting to try developing black and white film as reversal using a K14-style chromogenic process, since then i could use normal C-41 bleach instead of (far nastier) B&W reversal bleach, but i wasn't sure if or where i could find a black color coupler. well today i was kinda thinking about that again and it turns out that a) i don't need a black color coupler, i could just mix cyan, magenta, and yellow couplers and it should all work out and b) they make a product called "rockland polytoner" that lets you do just that - it's a set of developer and color couplers that's designed to let you tone B&W prints arbitrary colors by mixing the couplers together. people have been experimenting with using it to develop kodachrome, which i don't really care about doing, but that does mean it should basically work with film instead of paper (not surprising but good to know)

so that means the following process should produce monochromatic slides:

  • first developer (normal b&w developer exactly like you're trying to get a b&w negative - in my case that'll be xtol)
  • re-exposure
  • re-develop using polytoner prepared with an equal mixture of couplers
  • c-41 bleach (or the bleach from the polytoner kit if i feel like mixing it (it's pretty much the same stuff afaik))
  • c-41 fixer (not b&w, thanks @tef)

might try it


wolf-apparatus
@wolf-apparatus

addendum: i just realized that i could use this process to develop black and white 120 / sheet film as positives as well. i've gotta try this. everyone says medium / large format slides look ridiculously good


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in reply to @wolf-apparatus's post:

fwiw, the polytone instructions say to fix "in Kodak Fixer or other non-rapid fixer", which matches up with the advice i've been given

so it isn't every b/w fixer, but any rapid one, which is kinda most b/w fixers afaik

could be interesting. i have a flatbed that does ICE though i really don't like it (the scanner, not ICE). i suspect if i was aiming for scannable negatives i'd probably only use one color coupler (make things easier), which might be fun to try just because it's going to look extremely strange

i kinda like the idea of holding up a strip of positives and they're all blue or orange or red

ps everyone in that big ass thread ended up in the discord, there should be a link in your dms

yea in theory i should be able to come up with positives or negatives in any color i like (which means i could theoretically do trichrome slides, assuming i can register them well enough (actually i should try that with IR film because the fiddly-ness would totally be worth it if it means i can project color IR positives))

uh which big ass thread and which discord. i ended up in a discord from a big ass thread like a year ago but you're not in it and either way i do not have anything in my dms