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Wooper @wooper7/20/2023, 1:31 PM

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Jcat🔞@dandymathuin7/20/2023, 4:44 AM

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Wooper @wooper7/20/2023, 1:31 PM

Any time I see a post where someone complains about the lack of discoverability and reach I'm like... why are you here then if you just want the same shit all over again.

People on twitter kept scoffing cohost and saying shit like "twitter's dying are they stupid for not opening the floodgates to let everyone in???" as if cohost would get dollar signs in their eyes and wanted to poach all the twitter users for engagement farming and number hoarding. Instead a bunch of people signed up, found they had to wait, threw a hissy fit, and went back to Twitter to moan. We don't need people wanting to start discourse that badly here.

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lani @spinning-valiant7/20/2023, 5:05 AM

i think a reasonable criticism is that you can still tell whether your post got “a lot” or “not a lot” of engagement, just not the specific number - so if that’s going to make you feel bad, it’s still going to make you feel bad. i hope (and assume it’s the intention) that not having specific numbers helps with that - especially once you are into “a lot” versus “a ton”, i don’t think there’s as easy to identify difference (although i have no viral posts so i can’t say for sure).

i also think like… as far as i know, there isn’t a ‘facebook that allows porn’, so i imagine some folks gravitate here based on the adult content policy and even though the overall intention of the site is definitely Not That.

Nire Bryce @NireBryce7/20/2023, 7:44 AM

not being able to see it for other people's posts is a big part of it imo

lani @spinning-valiant7/20/2023, 7:56 AM

that’s a great point- being disappointed that your own posts did better/worse compared to each other is still pretty different than comparing yourself to others (which you can only do when you see the same post on your dashboard for 7 pages in a row and only a point of comparison/reference if you’re making the same type of post)

Nire Bryce @NireBryce7/20/2023, 8:47 AM

yeah, though boosts are very follow-group-dependent, so you'll see a lot of boosts of things your social-gestalt is interested in, but it's not a reflection of how well anything is actually doing.

and if you aren't getting that, often it doesn't mean your post fell flat, but more that it's not a common interest for a large enough swath of your followers to boost en masse enough to break out and get heard.

because you often need multiple exposures for it to be more than random luck; just by the nature of people only being able to look at this site for a specific chunk of time, and there being nothing that surfaces old posts.

see also: you have more reach the more timezones your friends are in, just because more of them are likely to check in any given minute than if their schedules lined up.

Twitter, tumblr, mastodon, fb all have ways old posts get shared more, either through algorithm, or ease of seeing related posts. and so break out of follow-groups a lot more easily.

lani @spinning-valiant7/20/2023, 8:58 AM

:yeah:

@DieselBrain7/20/2023, 5:13 AM

hard agree on all counts. Sometimes i do find myself wishing i could just like a comment but like, yeah, when you take the full ramifications into account it would go from comments being nice to comments being a pain

some comments i reply to, some i dont, simple as that.

A second cooler Cardinal @SprungX7/20/2023, 5:22 AM

Can I buy the concrete eggbug at the entrance?

Jama @Jama7/20/2023, 5:32 AM

Turning off like notifications so I only check my notification page with a fun interaction has been a great change for me, personally.

Malus @Malusdraco7/20/2023, 5:33 AM

i definitely think there's a reorienting process that people gotta go thru with cohost. it's easy to miss that numbers-driven brain melting shit when that's what's been getting you through the day (i am including myself here).

i think this site has the perfect storm in terms of training people. likes and shares aren't visible/surfaced so you don't get the twitter numbers hit, meanwhile tags aren't easy to look thru so you can't do the tumblr thing either of saying how much you like something in the comments.

i do agree, i think it'd be nice to have SOME sort of metric- maybe post views? or some other way of keeping track of what people have added to your post, but also i think we've gotta accept that this is a new paradigm.

the age of the comment is upon us! let us rejoice in genuine human connection!

CdiGanon @CdiGanon7/20/2023, 6:02 AM

just here to say you're very cool and i'm love of you

noah @noahtheduke7/20/2023, 1:01 PM

Does “cdi” in your username mean “cod damn it”?

CdiGanon @CdiGanon7/20/2023, 2:51 PM

It’s actually a reference to the video game console developed by the Phillips corporation called The Phillips CDi, that was allowed to use Nintendo licensed games (Mario and Zelda). And the Ganon of those Zelda games is my favorite

noah @noahtheduke7/20/2023, 3:45 PM

Ahhh yeah, I forgot about those.

n. lyn-marie charlene excelsia @charlenemaximum7/20/2023, 6:13 AM

less "numbers" and "like" buttons just means i leave comments a lot more :) it's a nice change of pace and makes me feel a vague nostalgia when the internet wasn't about engagement.

@gkrnours7/20/2023, 6:17 AM

until I found the notification tab, I felt very lonely here. I had the impression I would get no feedback if people interacted with me and I would have no idea if people did.

then I found out my stupid post had a like or two, people were responding to my comments. It felt nice.

Piper @piper16187/20/2023, 7:05 AM

I've seen a few influencer people talk on other platforms about how they're not coming here because cohost is worse at helping them promote their YouTube videos or podcast or blog or whatever else it is they're making money on. They're not wrong, but that's not how the vast majority of people use any social media platform. Those platforms are intended to identify the people who can hold attention and concentrate as much attention on them as possible. It's definitionally impossible for everyone to have that kind of success because that success requires the concentration of attention that leaves almost everyone at the fringe. So yeah, for them, this website is terrible.

But I do worry when I see them say cohost is terrible because of that. Do…they not realize how unusual they are? Making money off of social media will never be a game that can be won by more than a tiny elite. So the popular people come here, realize this place isn't pandering to them, and leave. Then they complain on other platforms and that narrative gets picked up by all the other popular influencers and they're all in agreement. And that becomes the only narrative most people on those platforms will ever see because those platforms are never going to boost me talking about how cohost is pretty good actually because I'm not popular.

RoBro @AtteroBro7/20/2023, 11:43 AM

comments seem like a different beast here anyways, i wouldn't want those to have likes. still though, there's just something tantalizing about a post "doing numbers" or building up a follower count. I've never BLOWN UP blown up anywhere, so maybe i really dont understand the full psychological impact of these systems. Buuut I still kinda side with people who want these numbers present because of that. At least maybe follower counts

jae @jkap7/20/2023, 1:29 PM

the thing i always tell people is that if you want to acknowledge you saw someone's comment, a simple :yeah: will always work

Crungo @Crungo7/20/2023, 2:06 PM

I remember seeing a comment to a Staff post complaining about how they don't get nearly the hits on their website from Cohost that they do on Twitter 🤷 Which.... yeah?? Cohost is a much smaller userbase

They went onto say that they stopped using Twitter for MI reasons (same), but they still apparently wanted Cohost to give them similar levels of exposure. It feels really cold saying this but if you want Twitter level exposure that much you might need to make a decision and potential sacrifices (again, I do empathize since I also quit Twitter for MI related reasons)