The last of the Black Roses? I thought there were 100 dead guys. Did a bunch of them already get used up in an earlier iteration of this cycle, or something?

Woah, the Student Council trying to do something useful for once?

The Student Council room has also gotten pretty surreal, with all those fans before and now a level crossing. Not sure how to take that, maybe the council has become further divorced from ordinary reality and is more akin to duel effects and the shadow plays?

It's interesting that this seminar is so well-known but seems to be separate from therapy elevator rumors.

The fire ties in with the fire for a corpse after a duel is lost. Maybe it's not a problem when duels are lost because the burning accomplishes something?

Ok, so Akio and Mikage are working together even though they seem to have different goals. Is the "I have no reason to obey your orders" indication that Akio is the one who gave End of the World letters to the Student Council but that Mikage's conception of the End of the World is different?

Oh, interesting, the 100 dead guys had rose seals 100 years ago or whatever, so this does feel very cyclical. But both Mikage and Mamiya are still young/younger N years later? Does that mean they found eternity somehow? Then what are they aiming at in the present?

Nemuro!Mikage's pointer vision is interesting, makes him seem Sherlock Holmes-y. Is this meant to be a glitch-in-the-matrix thing, time's not working right and cats are multiplying as indication that something's going on?

Also, Mamiya is very Anthy-coded, why is he so set on replacing her and are they related? He claims to be the investigator's brother, but they don't resemble each other.

Prominent coffins before the 100 boys seem to have died. Is this some sort of "Akio is a vampire" buildup?

Is Anthy or Mamiya-resembling-Anthy going to have been what lead to the disaster, which is why becoming a Black Rose duelist/getting possessed by a dead boy causes you to want to murder her?

It's interesting that what seems to be sabotaging the project is implied to actually be necessary fuel for the project. Did Mamiya know that, or was he manipulated into it with the opposite motivation, since he seems to reject the idea of being preserved forever? And in that case, does he currently seek to become the Rose Bride/Groom as a path to eternity or because he thinks that'll get him out of limbo and an opportunity to die in the cycle of violence?

Hmm, the investigator interacts with the shadow play this episode, even though I'd been wondering of Mikage was going to parallel Utena with his relationship with Mamiya and his pink hair. But I guess he's more Utena's shadow or mirror than a parallel, knowing too much and all. Is Tokiko going to be more than a one-episode character, then? Or is she just setting up for Mikage Black Rose-ing himself? (Her name is like "time girl" which does seem on the nose.)

Does Mamiya never go outside because he's supposed to be dead? Or is he actually dead and he's a ghost or memory that only Mikage can see? (If people never grow up at Ōtori, did that only start because Mikage's project or has that been powered by Dios in a christmas ornament all along?)


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I think the implication is they have plenty of dead boys but they're running out of literal roses.

Is Anthy or Mamiya-resembling-Anthy going to have been what lead to the disaster, which is why becoming a Black Rose duelist/getting possessed by a dead boy causes you to want to murder her?

Oh, Anthy setting up the fire somehow and the boys wanting revenge would be a wild twist, it'd explain why Shiori and Tsuwabuki and Keiko were going after Anthy at all! I feel like there's been a lot of talk about how tightly or loosely connected the Black Rose duelists are with their respective stuco members, and how that affects their fighting ability; but maybe mental synchronicity with the motives of the dead boys is also a factor? The duelists who are the most actually personally invested in killing Anthy are Kozue and Wakaba, and they're also the two most effective ones in terms of actually putting any pressure on Utena before losing.

The idea of Mamiya wanting to become the Rose Bride so he can die when someone else wants to set up a new Rose Bride is fascinating; although it seems like the Rose Bride plan was entirely Mikage's idea that Mamiya's just been helping out with, and it seems like Mikage wouldn't want that...

I guess it's not clear to me what the limiting factor is on black roses, if not dead boys (or episodes per season).

It's hard for me to get a read on Mamiya's motives at this point, we haven't really seen much reflecting his perspective except that maybe a rose wouldn't want to be prolonged.

I feel like there's probably something more to say about Ōtori keeping people from growing up and the duels as potentially some sort of rite of passage and the way that Black Rose duelists are sorta powered by having strong emotions they process in an immature/distorted way rather than an adult/healthy way. Mikage needs Mamiya to not grow up because growing up means death, and duels are symbolically about death but haven't actually killed anyone so far, and refusing to grow up isn't the same thing as eternity, and it's not clear to what extent the duels actually help people grow up as in become more mature about their problems. (It sorta seems like after your duel you just go back to your normal self and whether you grow from the experience is up to you, rather than the duels magically helping you grow as a person.)